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    Membership of IACE

    Post  lance on Tue May 31, 2011 10:59 am

    When I started studying with Compass I became a Student Member of IACE. My current membership expires today 31/5/2011 and I have not been contacted about renewing membership. Neither of the two phone numbers given for IACE is recognised by the exchange.
    Is any of you a member? Any ideas of how I can get any response from IACE? By the way, IACE don't seem to do much - no newsletter or any other communication for several years. Is IACE defunct?
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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  olwen on Tue May 31, 2011 12:42 pm

    That's interesting. I also got the student membership and like you haven't heard anything from them. I thought when you get to module 6 you get auto membership upgrade, but also don't know what the benefits are.

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  lance on Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:25 am

    I've just had an automatic e-mail reply from IACE to say that renewal forms are now being sent out. I don't know what benefits there are for membership apart from being able to put MIACE after your name. The newsletter has not been produced for several years because of lack of articles and the secretary seems to be very inefficient and the phone numbers given are not recognised by the exchange. Is it worth a subscription?
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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  Carole.T on Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:00 pm

    I joined when I completed my Compass course. All I can say is that years ago (about 2000) when I was a volunteer at a Rescue Centre, the IACE seemed to be THE 'organisation' to be in and several dog people had heard of them.

    I agree, apart from a rather nice diary and pen the first year I joined and a couple of newsletters there has been nothing forthcoming since. As you say the newsletters have ceased (members fault I suppose for not contributing) and the website has not changed for the past couple of years from what I can see.

    When I received my renewal last year I sent my comments back to the effect that I was not sure as to the viability of remaining a member, as to what return/support there was for being a member. Also in that there was no list of members one could 'network' with, events etc.

    I did get a letter back from the secretary saying that the comments would be raised at the next meeting. I have heard no more. I do have (MIACE) on my cards/literature but in honesty unless there are some radical changes as to what benefits/services it offers members I do not think that I will renew this time and take it off my literature.

    Not sure what the orgnisation actually means to the public and other 'professionals'? Maybe David at Compass can clarify as they advocate the organisation?

    I am sure these organisations start out with all good intentions but money is tight for all nowadays so they even more so have to deliver value for money, support &/or opportunities for people to continue their CPD's.

    The telephone numbers being unavailable seems strange to me also.

    I used to exchange emails with the now Chairman (Brigitte Barton)who was personally very supportive, but not heard from her for 'years' either.

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  lance on Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:19 pm

    I have just spoken with David Montgomery at Compass about IACE. He said that others had also spoken to him about IACE and had raised the same questions and complaints. He agrees that IACE seems inefficient at the moment and he is exploring the idea of Compass being connected with a different organisation -- International Society of Animal Professionals ISAP. You can find details of this at www.is-ap.org
    The representative (or as they are called 'Ambassador') for this in UK is Jackie Murphy. See her web site www.specialistdogtraining.co.uk


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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  Lisa on Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:32 pm

    Hi guys

    This is an interesting conversation, as at the beginning of April, after I started the Ad. Dip. I got an email to welcome me as a student member of ISAP, and the email was from Bridgette Barton!! I haven't had a chance to have a proper look at the website yet, but apparently there are 2 online newsletters per year.

    Could IACE have become ISAP?

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  lance on Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:30 pm

    No, I don't think that IACE has become ISAP. The fact that you got an e-mail welcoming you as a student member of ISAP when you started your Compass course would seem to mean that David has in fact made Compass a corporate member now so that students of Compass courses auromatically become student members of ISAP instead of being student members of IACE as previously, and that Compass has now dropped IACE.
    I don't know who Bridgette Barton is. David did suggest that there had been some difficulties among IACE personalities. Have a look at ISAP web site. It seems to be an efficiently run organisation and useful for anyone involved professionally with animals. I should be interested to hear what you make of it.
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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  Carole.T on Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:21 pm

    Ok,so I am confused now!!

    I joined IACE back in 2007, paid my dues every year, as I say for not much benefit. I have never heard of ISAP, never been contacted by ISAP as a past Compass student/IACE member. Would have thought if IACE closed down, ISAP would be making themselves known to previous members to swell the ranks as it were?

    I looked at the web site, interesting for 'across the species' articles and that they have 350 members? Who are the Ambassadors I wonder?

    Well, taking the bull by the horns I have sent an email to Brigitte as a 'catch up' contact and asking about the relevance/connection of IACE to ISAP. If her email address is still the same and I get a reply, will update if any interesting info re: Benefits of joining.

    Personally, apart from catching up with her, as far as ISAP are concerned I am not sure that it will be an organisation of any benefit for me, interesting as the newsletter was, I am only studying and wanting to join professional bodies in relation to dogs as I know nothing Training/Behaviour wise on other species.

    In honesty I am not sure what and how many of these organisations it is really necessary to join? I think that I will just stick with the KCAI & UKRCB for now and maybe, then register if eligible with the newly formed 'ABTC' who seem to be the unifying 'self-regulatory' body of most of the Animal Behaviour/Training Orgs.

    If nothing else I cannot afford all these different fees!

    Each to their own though.

    As Lisa says...interesting.Thanks Lance for clarifying things with David.

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  Lisa on Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:14 pm

    I agree Carole, there are so many of these organisations now and you have to make sure that you are putting your money where it is going to be of benefit to you as an individual.

    I have just looked at the IACE and ISAP websites. There doesn't seem to be much on there. On the IACE there are 3 articles and on the ISAP one there is a newsletter that doesn't want to download!!! According to Bridgette's email, (she is the executive director of ISAP) ISAP also has a google forum but I haven't looked at that yet.

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  lance on Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:41 pm

    Just to give some details following Lisa's post.
    IACE - the three articles in the newsletter have been there for many years. I first saw them when I looked at the site in 2007 and one of the articles is dated 2004. There has been no newsletter or articles since then.
    You will see that there is also a notice that the AGM has been cancelled and no future date announced. I think this notice has been there for at least a year.

    ISAP - I was able to download the Newsletter with no problem.
    This is their second Newsletter, dated December 2010. And it says that they (ISAP) have been 'up and running for a full year' with 350 members.
    There are 12 articles: 1.Kazakhstan:aninmal welfare org. 2.Egypt:true story of a dog. 3.UK: horse behaviour problem.
    4.Nepal:Himalayan Animal Rescue Trust. 5.S Africa: Rhinoceros.
    6.Black Grouse returns to Arran. 7.New Zealand: Factory farming.
    8.UK: The Britsh Fox. 9. Kurdistan:World Rabies Day;effects of mines and explosives on wild life and animals. 10.Nigeria. Training to stop dog nipping/biting. 11.Jordan.Teaching children to respect animals - wild life garden. 12.Ghana: Baby elephant attacked by crocodile.

    ISAP also has a link to Compass.
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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  Carole.T on Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:10 pm

    Hi all,

    I have been in contact with Brigitte and she has given me permission to copy the following portion of her email to me, for anyone's interest:

    "" The aim of the Society is to get animal professionals talking to each other. If someone has a problem with a bear in Russia he can either contact an Ambassador for help or go on our forum and post his question. He may get help from someone in Canada who experienced the same problem. Currently a lot of forum questions deal with dogs because many are involved in animal rescue abroad. ISAP will also try and help to place someone who is keen on working abroad in order to get hands-on experience. We publish a Newsletter twice a year, in June and December with articles written by our Ambassadors or other press releases. There is a LOT in it every time. ISAP does not send out pocket calendars and pens for Christmas but we hope to have enough money together soon to offer a sponsorship to one of our members or to someone who comes highly recommended by an Ambassador in order to get an animal qualification. There are so many people working in rescue in
    deprived countries for example that a sponsorship might help them to get a qualification. So, in short, this is what we offer: dialogue via the forum and our Ambassadors, Ambassadors for points of contact in many countries worldwide, placement abroad if requested, bi-annual Newsletters (received via email), and sponsorship as soon as possible. Full members have the initials MISAP behind their names. Our webpage is <http://www.is-ap.org> and perhaps you want to check it out.""


    She goes on to say;
    "" All members who were members of IACE can just email me that they were members of IACE and join ISAP without further filling in forms. Full membership is £35.""

    Although hopefully I will be staying in touch with her again, as I have personally found her a genuinely empathetic and encouraging 'e-mail' contact. Whether I shall join, as stated (although I am she she would be disappointed should I not!) I am not sure how relevant this organisation will be to my particular aims and interests.

    However she has stated that she is also a member of the UKRCB and says;

    ""The APBC are of course strong contenders and it
    would take some time to convince a vet that the UKRCB member in the area is much better. I am glad, though, that you joined UKRCB. I have been with them for a number of years now and find the camaraderie second to none. They are so supportive. The education days are really brilliant and well worth attending.""


    So, the above info re: ISAP 'straight from the horse's mouth as it were! for you to make your own 'hopefully' informed decisions!

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  Admin on Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:44 am

    This is all very interesting. As someone commented, there are so many organisations around these days it is difficult to decide which way to turn.

    I am disappointed that Compass haven't informed students of the change, although on saying that I have been 6 months without even completing module 1 so they probably think I have dropped off the edge of the earth!!! Shocked

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  lance on Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:20 pm

    Six months absence is nothing. It is now two years since I got my module 3 of HCC back (30/8/08)! I started on module 4 and wrote the answers to a couple of questions, but then I got involved in the dominance debate and Cesar Millan etc and other things needed my attention. However, there is a positive side to my 'gap years' in that I came across APDT and joined as a subscriber and then this Forum has been a great help along with a couple of other forums. One problem has been that the Module 4 is titled 'Pack Behaviour and Territoriality' and there is still talk there of 'Alpha'in your dog pack and applying the so-called 'Pack Rules' to your dog and all that dominance stuff all of which has now been challenged, abandoned or revised. That's why I spoke to David Montgomery a few days ago to see if I needed to re register and to suggest that he should revise and rewrite module 4 if it had not already been done.
    Apparently this has been done and I'm waiting to get a copy of it.
    This is when I also spoke to David about IACE, so it was quite useful for us in that way. David is working only part time at present as he has had successful major surgery for bowel cancer and is now in a recovery period. He said he would send me details about IASP. I'll keep you posted with any info I get.
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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  olwen on Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:07 pm

    It's interesting that you've asked for an update on one of your modules Lance. I'm just completing module 4 of the ADip and the project for that is around epilespy in dogs, the question states that there is no evidence for a genetic link, but there was reseach and evidencing done in 2004 which I am going to point out in my answer.

    It's in the EPM2 gene and it was reported in Science Magazine for anyone who wants to keep the info for their work http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4149179.stm
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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  Carole.T on Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:00 pm

    An excellent book about canine epilepsy is;

    Canine Epilepsy - An Owner's guide to living with and without seizures by Caroline D Levin RN

    In it she writes about genetics and epilepsy, only a one page article really, but the basics of which imply that cortisol can interfere with the normal methylation process which either keeps sections of DNA turned on or turned off throughout one's life. As a result of this ineffective methylation process, cortisol can cross cell membranes and create various reactions which in turn can, among other things cause 'gene transcription' (or the genetic 'expression' of a predisposition) for many illnesses, including idiopathic epilepsy (she also cites conditions such as: autoimmune disorders, cancer, celiac disease and hypothyriodism).

    She does include pages of references at the end of the relevant chapter, but it is not clear what reference belongs to what portion of text in some cases.

    I do not know if this cortisol/gene transcription connection is mentioned in the research found by you Olwen, as I have not read that. Just though I would throw in another 'genetic' connection to the mix!

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  lance on Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:08 am

    Re membership of IACE or ISAP
    Still no response from IACE so I am not renewing my membership. In any case I wouldn't be able to even if I wanted to since I cannot contact them.

    Instead I phoned Sandra at Compass and she told me that they are now registering their new students with ISAP (student member)for one year. You can then renew your membership annually with the appropriate fee.

    So, since I am now restarting with Compass for HCC after my two year gap, Compass is now registering me for ISAP membership for one year, no fee.

    If those of you who are studying with Compass and who are dissastisfied with IACE would like to join ISAP, I think the easiest thing is to contact Sandra at Compass 0845 4585981

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  lance on Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:26 pm

    I have just today received the Membership Renewal Form for IACE which I e-mailed for at the beginning of June.
    The address of the Secretary, Mrs Charlotte Walsh is different from that given on the web site and previous letters and the phone number is different from those given on the web site and previous notices.
    The renewal form adds this: 'We hope you will renew as your membership is important to us.' and 'It has been a long time since there has been any type of Newsletter.We do have articles and more are welcome. Without your articles we cannot produce any form of Newsletter. The next Newsletter will be issued during the summer to the current membership only.'
    Just in case you might want to renew or contact the Secretary the address is: Mrs Charlotte Walsh (Sec.I.A.C.E.)
    Marsh Farm, 125 Western Lane, Buxworth, High Peak, SK23 7NS.
    phone: 01663 733 230
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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  Carole.T on Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:33 pm

    IMO it is a shame that they have not communicated forthcoming changes or additional contact during the year to ensure that their members are 'valued'. I heard nothing until the renewal form, I must admit it has been thrown away now so I cannot recall the address. Why was the website not updated then? They won't get many new members then will they?!

    Thanks for the update though Lance, I will pass it on to another member I know of who is debating whether to renew or not.

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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  lance on Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:04 pm

    You may recall that I posted a year ago that IACE seemed to have become defunct as I had not heard from them and they seemed to have difficulty communicating. So I did not renew my membership. Well, today I received a Membership Renewal Form and a copy of the Newsletter (Spring/Summer 2012). Their Website has also been renewed. So, I shall renew my student mebership (£7).
    If anyone else is in a similar position you can find the info on the IACE website. Derek
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    Re: Membership of IACE

    Post  Carole.T on Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:11 pm

    Thanks Lance for the update.

    Yes, I too received a renewal form out of the blue, after ignoring the last one. I have looked at their revamped website, but still will not be rejoining personally, the course I did with Compass and accredited by IACE is now accredited by LANTRA, so I presume Compass have moved over to LANTRA mainly anyway now for their accreditations.

    I'll just stick to the UKRCB (UK Registry of Canine Behaviourists)I think, being as I do Behaviour work. They provide a good support service for their budding 'Behaviourists' members!

    Regards,

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