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    ABTC (the Animal Behaviour & Training Council)/APBC/Dip CBM

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    Carole.T

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    ABTC (the Animal Behaviour & Training Council)/APBC/Dip CBM

    Post  Carole.T on Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:37 pm

    As many of you may already know, there is movement afoot within the Animal Training/Behaviour Industry to regulate the Behaviour & Training services offered to clients.

    One of the most recent 'umbrella' organisations (as you probably also already know) is the ABTC.

    I have been in recent communication with both the APBC and David Montgomery of Compass Education & Training (who are the A.Dip CBM course providers)on various issues. The following information has been provided to me, I thought that I would share it (I may have already mentioned some of it elsewhere on this forum, sorry);

    The APBC is now accepting the A.Dip CBM as an entry requirement for membership at student level. They still require a Level '6' (E.G. BSc, now in an appropriately related degree) to be able to progress to Provisional then Full member.

    However, despite the APBC's implication to me that they (well the particular respondent to my enquiry) see the A.Dip CBM as an HND and not Foundation Degree level - David Montgomery has confirmed to me that it is still assessed and regarded as a Level 5 Foundation Degree equivalent.

    (Under the government's 'Education and learning Framework for Higher Education Qualifications' system: Level 5 can encompass: HND/Foundation Degree/Diplomas of Higher Education, dependent upon the type & structure of the particular course).

    So, despite a few local APBC members here (at BSc level) telling me directly that I was not qualified to carry out Behaviour work with just the A.Dip CBM,(and writing publicy on their sites & implying in the local press, that only CAB's can carry out Behaviour work) this is not the case.

    It seems that some APBC members may be jumping the gun, or mis-interpreting the APBC's own requirements and agreed accreditation format with the ABTC.

    At present, when carrying out Behaviour work you can register under 2 levels with the ABTC (providing that you belong to one of their member organisations) (i) An Accredited Animal Behaviourist (with the Level 5 A.Dip CBM) or (ii) Clinical Animal Behaviourist (with the Level 6 Degree qualification).

    The 'AAB' will be a temporary category until 2014, then no new memberships will be available at that level. The 'AAB' will cease to exist in 2020, when it is hoped that all members will have gained the required CAB level qualification. (These requirements being qouted as part of the ABTC, there are other organisations - E.G the KCAI scheme, who have not signed up to the ABTC nor at present require Degree level education).

    Now, with all the Uni/College fees potentially shooting up in 2012/13 it makes sense for those interested in the BSc Level 6 Animal Behaviour/Training courses to sign up sooner rather than later? (Unless funding isn't a problem that is!!).

    The GOOD NEWS from David was that he advised me;
    ""We are also planning to have the course (A.Dip CBM) accredited by the ABTC and develop it further to provide the missing requirements for CAB but this will not happen immediately.""

    So, if you miss the boat re: BSc/Uni courses, or not ready yet - there seems hope for an alternative way up to becoming a CAB?Depending upon how those currently on or have completed the course, can top it up?

    The difference between a CAB & AAB? Well I am not entirely sure but the ABTC website states;

    Clinical Animal Behaviourist:
    Working alongside members of the veterinary profession, provides behavioural diagnosis to determine motivation and prescribe treatment plans for animals with behavioural disorders. Provides owners/handlers with coaching and follow-up to support implementation of treatment plan, and in the responsibilities and legal requirements of animal ownership. Veterinary surgeons with this qualification may specialise in the interaction between behavioural change and medical disease, and the use of adjunctive pharmaceutical agents to influence behaviour.

    Accredited Animal Behaviourist:
    Temporary category for current behaviour practitioners who meet a number of the requirements of knowledge and experience for clinical animal behaviourist, and who are working towards this goal. May practice within the limits of their knowledge and experience, seeking support and guidance or referring on for cases beyond their expertise.


    Interpret "May practice within the limits of their knowledge" as you can, as I do not know what is taught, nor what provides increased knowldege or ability to carry out Behaviour work on a Level 6 course.

    So, thanks again to 'Compass' they seem to be helping keep people within the Industry, who otherwise may have fallen by the wayside academically?

    All the best, whatever route/s you take flower

    Carole

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    Re: ABTC (the Animal Behaviour & Training Council)/APBC/Dip CBM

    Post  Lisa on Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:34 pm

    Hi Carole

    You are a star sunny for posting all that info for us. Thank you. Smile

    Lisa
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    olwen

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    Re: ABTC (the Animal Behaviour & Training Council)/APBC/Dip CBM

    Post  olwen on Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:45 pm

    Now I am even more confused!

    I thought that the original group that were looking at regulation had been disbanded as it was part of a quango that went. This was the group that would let anyone in so long as they were qualified and didn't care what practices they used, ie use shock collars if you want to.

    And the break off group (ABTC)has now got it's act together and so long as you are a member of one of their organisations you are under that umbrella but individuals can't join although you can have a listing on the site.

    Pauline Appleby told me in March that the ADipCBM was ok for student membership of the APBC.

    Who are ABTC?

    At present anyone can be a behaviourist with no qualifications at all as shown by the numpties near me who give us all a bad name because they learnt it at their grandparent's knee or have some mystical ability to communicate with animals.
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    Re: ABTC (the Animal Behaviour & Training Council)/APBC/Dip CBM

    Post  Carole.T on Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:51 pm

    Hi Olwen,

    I can understand why you may be confused, I was, hence trying to get straight in my mind at least one branch of these new 'regulatory' bodies!

    You are correct in that individuals cannot join the ABTC, but can register I believe (for a fee....what else!) on the website providing they belong to one of their member organisations. There was (is?) another 'umbrella' organisation recently set up called the PETBC (Pet Education and Training Council), who from the way their website is written are sort of in competition with the ABTC to become a recognised In House 'regulatory' organisation. When I last looked at their website, they didn't list who their member organisations were but the various Training/Behaviour 'role' criteria for 'Accomplishments and Qualifications' lists many Kennel Club activities and schemes and they are in support of the KCAI Scheme.

    I get the impression that there are these 2 different 'umbrella' orgs who are vying for THE top spot!

    The ABTC (Animal Behaviour and Training Council - David Montgomery is Chairman) have many of the well known orgs (RSPCA, DogsTrust, APBC, APDT etc) signed up.

    The PETBC seem to accept 'Course Providers' such as; Cambridge Institute of Dog Behaviour & Training, Animal Care College, Guide Dogs, BIPDT, Police Dog Training. Maybe these are some of the 'questionable' training associations that some people have relayed examples of in the past,allegedly.

    One credit to the PETBC is the fact that they have defined various roles people may provide within the dog behaviour and training industry at all levels, and they have created some (IMO) well thought out and comprehensive guides to role requirements for people to aim for.

    However, you hear very little about them, so maybe they do not have the influence of the ABTC (which from my dealings with the ABTC, SEEM to be heavily influenced by the ABPC!). So, whoever comes out top, I do not think any are perfect still.

    The APBC / ABTC lean towards Level 6 (BSc) qualifications for Clinical Behaviourists.
    The PETBC state that Animal Behaviour Degrees are not an expertise level in dog behaviour, training, theory or otherwise. They state that "Dog behaviour theory is generally taught at less than 5% of the entire degree". I have no idea how true or relevant this is when comparing a 'Behaviourist' who is classified as a Clinical Behaviourist to one who is not.

    There were also organisations such as the CAWC (?) that were mentioned in connection with these new 'orgs' at one point but that all confused me no end so I don't go there!

    You are right in that nobody legally requires qualifications in this area of work, but this is why these 'Bodies' are appearing I reckon, so they are established 'should' any laws be passed for practitioners to legally hold a qualification such as a Animal Behaviour Degree. In the long term, I don't think Behaviourists (whatever that description may entail) may be able to gain work as easily via vets etc without a degree.

    I suppose that all we can do is gain as much knowledge as we can and take the most appropriate route available to us at the time. No doubt things may change again in the future?!


    Regards,

    Carole
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    Re: ABTC (the Animal Behaviour & Training Council)/APBC/Dip CBM

    Post  olwen on Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:00 am

    CAWC is the one I thought was disbanded and looking at thier website they haven't done anything since Jan 09.

    I knew that Ross McCarthy, Colin Tennant and friends were starting up an organision. I was at a seminar last month where people were talking about it in the breaks. Allegedly someone was told that unless they did the Cambridge course and joined CFBA then they wouldn't be allowed to be a behaviourist no matter if they had a PhD and were the Pied Piper. Although it seems from their website you can't be a member unless you are an organisation!

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